WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING $1.8 BILLION ON
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/944-full.html#196044)
The FAA has decided who to saddle with hundreds of millions of dollars
and the responsibility to install the ground-based portion of the
Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system. It has
awarded ITT a contract worth up to $1.8 billion to deploy upwards of
700 ground stations that will one day "run more aircraft safely and
with more efficiency," according to FAA deputy administrator, Robert
A. Sturgell. Losing out in this phase were rivals Raytheon and
Lockheed Martin.

But $1.8 billion is just the beginning. ITT only won the right to
build, own and maintain the ADS-B ground stations, many of which will
likely find homes in AT&T cellphone towers (AT&T is a contract
partner). The complete "next-gen" system is projected to cost near $15
billion over the next decade. For ITT's part, the ground stations
aren't expected to be completed until 2013 -- and you likely won't be
required to have ADS-B in your airplane until sometime around 2020.
-------------


http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=ITTNew&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=138753&XSL=PressRelease&Cache=False
ITT Corporation awarded contract to lead FAA's ADS-B air traffic
modernization program

Next generation system will streamline air traffic flow using GPS,
other advanced technology

McLean, Va. - August 30, 2007 - ITT Corporation (NYSE: ITT) today
announced it was awarded a $207 million initial contract by the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to lead a team to develop and
deploy the Automatic Dependent Surveillance – Broadcast (ADS-B)
system. ADS-B is a key component of the FAA's NextGen program intended
to increase safety and efficiency to meet the growing needs of air
transportation.

The period of performance for the initial contract is three years,
with a contract value of $207 million. Under the contract, ITT will be
responsible for overall system integration and engineering and under
contract options will operate and maintain the system after deployment
through September 2025. The contract has a potential value with all
options exercised of $1.86 billion.

"The ITT Team is proud to have been selected by the FAA as its partner
in the establishment of this technology that will form the basis for
the transformation of the air transportation system under the FAA's
NextGen vision," said Steve Gaffney, president of ITT Defense. "ITT
and its premier team of industry partners are committed to working
with the FAA to ensure this NextGen cornerstone program delivers its
full potential for enhanced National Airspace System safety,
efficiency and capacity."

The ITT team includes its partners AT&T, Thales North America, WSI,
SAIC, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Aerospace Engineering, Sunhillo,
Comsearch, MCS of Tampa, Pragmatics, Washington Consulting Group,
Aviation Communications and Surveillance Systems (ACSS), Sandia
Aerospace and NCR Corporation.

The ITT team will work with the FAA to deploy a nationwide air traffic
control surveillance network consisting of field radio sites, data
processing centers, network operations centers, and equipment to
enable delivery of surveillance data to air traffic control
facilities. The deployed ADS-B surveillance network is designed to
provide more accurate and rapidly updating position data using GPS to
determine aircraft position. Other major benefits of the system
include:


a surveillance network that is more cost effective than today's
network of radar systems,
a potential future data link for delivery of safety information to
aircraft cockpits, and
a mechanism for future air-to-air exchange of position data which will
dramatically enhance pilot situational awareness.

ITT brings more than 60 years of experience in providing civil and
military air traffic control (ATC) systems, technology and support,
including supplying GPS technology for ATC since the 1980s. Every GPS
satellite launched features an ITT navigation payload.

For more information on the ITT ADS-B Team and access to imagery, go
to: www.itt.com/adsb

For more information on the FAA's NextGen, go to: www.adsb.gov

About ITT Corporation
ITT Corporation ( www.itt.com ) supplies advanced technology products
and services in several growth markets. ITT is a global leader in the
transport, treatment and control of water, wastewater and other
fluids. The company plays a vital role in international security
through its defense communications and electronics products; space
surveillance and intelligence systems; and advanced engineering and
related services. It also serves the growing leisure marine and
electronic components market with a wide range of products.
Headquartered in White Plains, NY, the company generated $7.8 billion
in 2006 sales.

Contact:
Tom Glover
(703) 790-6334

-----------------------------

http://www.itt.com/adsb/
How ADS/B Works: http://www.itt.com/adsb/images/IT-ADS-B-Graphic.jpg
----------------
http://www.itt.com/adsb/meet_the_team.html
TEAM MEMBERS


ITT is a proven systems integrator with a track record of success in
air-traffic control and within the FAA. ITT has applied its skills to
develop a systems architecture through a top-down system engineering
process that will meet all FAA requirements to include safety,
security, and spectrum efficiency. This architecture is low risk and
assures cost-effectiveness and sustained high availability providing a
services solution that will fully meet the FAA's and the user
communities' needs.


Thales is a leading international electronics and systems group,
serving defense, aerospace and security markets worldwide. Thales Air
Systems Division develops systems and equipment to support airspace
safety and security. In civil aviation markets, Thales provides
tailored solutions in all phases of air traffic management, as well as
ground-based navigational aids, satellite navigation systems and
airport security solutions. Thales is a leading provider of ADS-B
systems including successful programs with Australia, France and
Eurocontrol.


AT&T is coupling its secure worldwide network infrastructure, network
management, and data hosting expertise with the company's long history
serving the FAA. At the center of AT&T's support to the project is its
proven Enterprise Management System, which AT&T will use to control
and monitor system activity. The Enterprise Management System uses a
combination of COTS and proprietary products to evaluate network
performance, diagnose problems, restore service, and proactively
manage the network. And when catastrophic events occur, AT&T maintains
a team of professionals and a fleet of over 150 pieces of mobile-
recovery equipment positioned to respond. Underpinning every solution
AT&T builds are the global resources and assets of one of the largest
providers of communications services in the world. AT&T's dynamic
service management tools, advanced technology, and experienced staff
modernize operations and enhance its customers' experience, allowing
agencies to focus on their mission, not their IT challenges.


The Sunhillo Corporation has provided data communications products and
engineering expertise to the Air-Traffic Control (ATC) community for
over 15 years. Our innovative data communications and emulation
solutions have been deployed in En Route, Terminal, Oceanic, as well
as military and international installations. Having originally
provided a key technical role in the design and implementation of the
En Route Communication Gateway (ECG) FAA Program, Sunhillo continues
to directly support the FAA to ensure the continuous operation of the
ECG; resulting in the real-time distribution of radar, flight data,
and other critical ATC operationally critical information. Sunhillo
has also successfully provided data integration and conversion
solutions to support Homeland Security and Defense initiatives that
require the aggregation and integration of disparate, national sensor
information. Building upon the expertise gained during these and
other past successful initiatives, we would be proud to have the
opportunity to help ensure the seamless integration of ADS-B
information into the NAS with no impact to existing and future
automation systems.


In addition to established weather services, physical infrastructure,
and decision-support applications, WSI provides proven technical and
commercial experience delivering vital weather information to aircraft
systems and avionics via diverse communication, hardware, and software
interfaces. WSI has a strong strategic vision and technical expertise
to field FIS-B and create value for end users: seamless, hybrid
cockpit data link weather capability leveraging multiple communication
links and service tiers. WSI has proven experience complying with RTCA
standards and the FAA certification process. WSI is a trusted weather
provider to current FAA programs including ETMS, AFSS, MITRE CAASD,
and Capstone & Safe Flight 21 ADS-B programs, among others. WSI's
industry-accepted weather products are used by thousands of current GA
and commercial aviation customers to make critical flight decisions.
We enthusiastically bring our extensive applicable experience and
track record of success to the ADS-B initiative.


SAIC is a leading provider of scientific, engineering, systems
integration, and technical services and solutions. With more than
44,000 employees in over 150 cities worldwide, SAIC engineers and
scientists solve complex technical challenges requiring innovative
solutions for customers' mission-critical functions. SAIC assists the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the development and
modernization of civil aviation and the national airspace. We provide
systems integration, acquisition planning, and system implementation
for air navigation, air-traffic control, landing systems, and vertical
flight operations.
SAIC: FROM SCIENCE TO SOLUTIONS™


Aerospace Engineering is a veteran- owned, small business supplying
software tools and services to the FAA and the aviation industry for
more than 18 years. Our dedicated team of scientists and engineers
specialize in real-time aviation systems including airline arrival-
management and optimization systems. We offer a powerful suite of
off-the-shelf products including AERALIB® development libraries for
next generation ATC/ATM systems, AwSim™ simulation and metrics tools,
and Avid™ airspace visual analysis tools. Our experience base, along
with our suite of tools, provides a unique capability for prototyping
and measuring the benefits of ADS/B-enabled systems, operational
procedures, and ATC concepts.


PricewaterhouseCoopers provides industry-focused assurance, tax, and
advisory services to build public trust and enhance value for its
clients and their stakeholders. More than 140,000 people in 149
countries across our network share their thinking, experience, and
solutions to develop fresh perspectives and practical advice.


Comsearch provides innovative spectrum management and wireless
engineering solutions to the global market for fixed, mobile and
broadband wireless applications. For three decades, their experienced
engineers, software products and information databases have addressed
wireless system design and the specific challenges of identifying,
analyzing and resolving radio frequency interference for an evolving
wireless industry. This specific area of expertise will allow
Comsearch to perform radio frequency interference and coverage
analysis for the ADS-B team.


Mission Critical Solutions (MCS) is more than just a name; it is also
their promise and commitment to providing their high profile clients
consistent results. MCS designs, installs, and services a broad range
of IP Convergence Technology systems grouped into three main divisions
- Information Systems, Telecommunications, and Building Automation. As
a member of the ADS-B team, MCS will assemble ADS-B equipment racks
and will perform critical field installations.


Pragmatics provides full life cycle software engineering support. They
use cutting-edge technologies, tools, and processes to make their
customers' strategic visions a reality. Their areas of expertise
include web-enabled, real-time, and data warehousing systems in the
command and control, financial, logistics, and telecommunications
domains. Pragmatics will apply their CMMI Level 4 software development
processes to support the development and maintenance of ADS-B
software.


With over 100 years experience in senior executive and managerial
positions within the FAA including policy formulation and execution;
management and technical training; and technology applications, WCG
will provide air traffic control operational expertise to the ADS-B
team. WCG can provide consulting services, operational support and
training for virtually every element that is critical to the operation
of an air traffic system for both domestic and international needs.


Aviation Communication & Surveillance Systems is a leader in avionics
systems that increase safety and efficiency for civil and military
aircraft operators. ACSS has recently received FAA certification for
SafeRoute, a portfolio of airborne ADS-B IN applications that provide
direct benefits to the aircraft operators by addressing runway
incursion and improving situational awareness and approach sequencing
issues. ACSS brings extensive ADS-B avionics experience to the ADS-B
team.


NCR is a leading provider of IT Maintenance and Support Services
providing unique capability and value through their proven operational
performance, in-depth domain knowledge, Intelligent Services
Architecture, and trusted customer relationships. These drive
continual cost reduction and quality improvement through NCR’s
integrated delivery infrastructure and Knowledge Driven Services. NCR
will concentrate on performing field maintenance of deployed ADS-B
equipment for the team.


The Bottom Line
The ADS-B America solution is low risk and high-performance, offering
low life-cycle cost and full compliance with the letter and spirit of
FAA- service requirements. The ITT team assures a highly successful
program and will maintain a high-level of partnership with the FAA.

Which company should have received the contract, in your opinion..L-M?
Raytheon? Someone was going to get it, because ADS-B is going to get a huge
monkey off the back of the ATC system. Pilots won't be required to equip for
it until 2020, and I'm pretty sure that is enough lead time for anyone to
make plans regarding his or her airplane. I remember when VOR came along,
and I remember when transponders were mandated....no one accepts being
force-fed graciously, but we sure have plenty of warning this time.

Bob Gardner

"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>
> WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING $1.8 BILLION ON
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/944-full.html#196044)
> The FAA has decided who to saddle with hundreds of millions of dollars
> and the responsibility to install the ground-based portion of the
> Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system. It has
> awarded ITT a contract worth up to $1.8 billion to deploy upwards of
> 700 ground stations that will one day "run more aircraft safely and
> with more efficiency," according to FAA deputy administrator, Robert
> A. Sturgell. Losing out in this phase were rivals Raytheon and
> Lockheed Martin.
>
> But $1.8 billion is just the beginning. ITT only won the right to
> build, own and maintain the ADS-B ground stations, many of which will
> likely find homes in AT&T cellphone towers (AT&T is a contract
> partner). The complete "next-gen" system is projected to cost near $15
> billion over the next decade. For ITT's part, the ground stations
> aren't expected to be completed until 2013 -- and you likely won't be
> required to have ADS-B in your airplane until sometime around 2020.
> -------------
>
>
> http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=ITTNew&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=138753&XSL=PressRelease&Cache=False
> ITT Corporation awarded contract to lead FAA's ADS-B air traffic
> modernization program
>
> Next generation system will streamline air traffic flow using GPS,
> other advanced technology
>
> McLean, Va. - August 30, 2007 - ITT Corporation (NYSE: ITT) today
> announced it was awarded a $207 million initial contract by the
> Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to lead a team to develop and
> deploy the Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B)
> system. ADS-B is a key component of the FAA's NextGen program intended
> to increase safety and efficiency to meet the growing needs of air
> transportation.
>
> The period of performance for the initial contract is three years,
> with a contract value of $207 million. Under the contract, ITT will be
> responsible for overall system integration and engineering and under
> contract options will operate and maintain the system after deployment
> through September 2025. The contract has a potential value with all
> options exercised of $1.86 billion.
>
> "The ITT Team is proud to have been selected by the FAA as its partner
> in the establishment of this technology that will form the basis for
> the transformation of the air transportation system under the FAA's
> NextGen vision," said Steve Gaffney, president of ITT Defense. "ITT
> and its premier team of industry partners are committed to working
> with the FAA to ensure this NextGen cornerstone program delivers its
> full potential for enhanced National Airspace System safety,
> efficiency and capacity."
>
> The ITT team includes its partners AT&T, Thales North America, WSI,
> SAIC, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Aerospace Engineering, Sunhillo,
> Comsearch, MCS of Tampa, Pragmatics, Washington Consulting Group,
> Aviation Communications and Surveillance Systems (ACSS), Sandia
> Aerospace and NCR Corporation.
>
> The ITT team will work with the FAA to deploy a nationwide air traffic
> control surveillance network consisting of field radio sites, data
> processing centers, network operations centers, and equipment to
> enable delivery of surveillance data to air traffic control
> facilities. The deployed ADS-B surveillance network is designed to
> provide more accurate and rapidly updating position data using GPS to
> determine aircraft position. Other major benefits of the system
> include:
>
>
> a surveillance network that is more cost effective than today's
> network of radar systems,
> a potential future data link for delivery of safety information to
> aircraft cockpits, and
> a mechanism for future air-to-air exchange of position data which will
> dramatically enhance pilot situational awareness.
>
> ITT brings more than 60 years of experience in providing civil and
> military air traffic control (ATC) systems, technology and support,
> including supplying GPS technology for ATC since the 1980s. Every GPS
> satellite launched features an ITT navigation payload.
>
> For more information on the ITT ADS-B Team and access to imagery, go
> to: www.itt.com/adsb
>
> For more information on the FAA's NextGen, go to: www.adsb.gov
>
> About ITT Corporation
> ITT Corporation ( www.itt.com ) supplies advanced technology products
> and services in several growth markets. ITT is a global leader in the
> transport, treatment and control of water, wastewater and other
> fluids. The company plays a vital role in international security
> through its defense communications and electronics products; space
> surveillance and intelligence systems; and advanced engineering and
> related services. It also serves the growing leisure marine and
> electronic components market with a wide range of products.
> Headquartered in White Plains, NY, the company generated $7.8 billion
> in 2006 sales.
>
> Contact:
> Tom Glover
> (703) 790-6334
>
> -----------------------------
>
> http://www.itt.com/adsb/
> How ADS/B Works: http://www.itt.com/adsb/images/IT-ADS-B-Graphic.jpg
> ----------------
> http://www.itt.com/adsb/meet_the_team.html
> TEAM MEMBERS
>
>
> ITT is a proven systems integrator with a track record of success in
> air-traffic control and within the FAA. ITT has applied its skills to
> develop a systems architecture through a top-down system engineering
> process that will meet all FAA requirements to include safety,
> security, and spectrum efficiency. This architecture is low risk and
> assures cost-effectiveness and sustained high availability providing a
> services solution that will fully meet the FAA's and the user
> communities' needs.
>
>
> Thales is a leading international electronics and systems group,
> serving defense, aerospace and security markets worldwide. Thales Air
> Systems Division develops systems and equipment to support airspace
> safety and security. In civil aviation markets, Thales provides
> tailored solutions in all phases of air traffic management, as well as
> ground-based navigational aids, satellite navigation systems and
> airport security solutions. Thales is a leading provider of ADS-B
> systems including successful programs with Australia, France and
> Eurocontrol.
>
>
> AT&T is coupling its secure worldwide network infrastructure, network
> management, and data hosting expertise with the company's long history
> serving the FAA. At the center of AT&T's support to the project is its
> proven Enterprise Management System, which AT&T will use to control
> and monitor system activity. The Enterprise Management System uses a
> combination of COTS and proprietary products to evaluate network
> performance, diagnose problems, restore service, and proactively
> manage the network. And when catastrophic events occur, AT&T maintains
> a team of professionals and a fleet of over 150 pieces of mobile-
> recovery equipment positioned to respond. Underpinning every solution
> AT&T builds are the global resources and assets of one of the largest
> providers of communications services in the world. AT&T's dynamic
> service management tools, advanced technology, and experienced staff
> modernize operations and enhance its customers' experience, allowing
> agencies to focus on their mission, not their IT challenges.
>
>
> The Sunhillo Corporation has provided data communications products and
> engineering expertise to the Air-Traffic Control (ATC) community for
> over 15 years. Our innovative data communications and emulation
> solutions have been deployed in En Route, Terminal, Oceanic, as well
> as military and international installations. Having originally
> provided a key technical role in the design and implementation of the
> En Route Communication Gateway (ECG) FAA Program, Sunhillo continues
> to directly support the FAA to ensure the continuous operation of the
> ECG; resulting in the real-time distribution of radar, flight data,
> and other critical ATC operationally critical information. Sunhillo
> has also successfully provided data integration and conversion
> solutions to support Homeland Security and Defense initiatives that
> require the aggregation and integration of disparate, national sensor
> information. Building upon the expertise gained during these and
> other past successful initiatives, we would be proud to have the
> opportunity to help ensure the seamless integration of ADS-B
> information into the NAS with no impact to existing and future
> automation systems.
>
>
> In addition to established weather services, physical infrastructure,
> and decision-support applications, WSI provides proven technical and
> commercial experience delivering vital weather information to aircraft
> systems and avionics via diverse communication, hardware, and software
> interfaces. WSI has a strong strategic vision and technical expertise
> to field FIS-B and create value for end users: seamless, hybrid
> cockpit data link weather capability leveraging multiple communication
> links and service tiers. WSI has proven experience complying with RTCA
> standards and the FAA certification process. WSI is a trusted weather
> provider to current FAA programs including ETMS, AFSS, MITRE CAASD,
> and Capstone & Safe Flight 21 ADS-B programs, among others. WSI's
> industry-accepted weather products are used by thousands of current GA
> and commercial aviation customers to make critical flight decisions.
> We enthusiastically bring our extensive applicable experience and
> track record of success to the ADS-B initiative.
>
>
> SAIC is a leading provider of scientific, engineering, systems
> integration, and technical services and solutions. With more than
> 44,000 employees in over 150 cities worldwide, SAIC engineers and
> scientists solve complex technical challenges requiring innovative
> solutions for customers' mission-critical functions. SAIC assists the
> Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the development and
> modernization of civil aviation and the national airspace. We provide
> systems integration, acquisition planning, and system implementation
> for air navigation, air-traffic control, landing systems, and vertical
> flight operations.
> SAIC: FROM SCIENCE TO SOLUTIONST
>
>
> Aerospace Engineering is a veteran- owned, small business supplying
> software tools and services to the FAA and the aviation industry for
> more than 18 years. Our dedicated team of scientists and engineers
> specialize in real-time aviation systems including airline arrival-
> management and optimization systems. We offer a powerful suite of
> off-the-shelf products including AERALIB® development libraries for
> next generation ATC/ATM systems, AwSimT simulation and metrics tools,
> and AvidT airspace visual analysis tools. Our experience base, along
> with our suite of tools, provides a unique capability for prototyping
> and measuring the benefits of ADS/B-enabled systems, operational
> procedures, and ATC concepts.
>
>
> PricewaterhouseCoopers provides industry-focused assurance, tax, and
> advisory services to build public trust and enhance value for its
> clients and their stakeholders. More than 140,000 people in 149
> countries across our network share their thinking, experience, and
> solutions to develop fresh perspectives and practical advice.
>
>
> Comsearch provides innovative spectrum management and wireless
> engineering solutions to the global market for fixed, mobile and
> broadband wireless applications. For three decades, their experienced
> engineers, software products and information databases have addressed
> wireless system design and the specific challenges of identifying,
> analyzing and resolving radio frequency interference for an evolving
> wireless industry. This specific area of expertise will allow
> Comsearch to perform radio frequency interference and coverage
> analysis for the ADS-B team.
>
>
> Mission Critical Solutions (MCS) is more than just a name; it is also
> their promise and commitment to providing their high profile clients
> consistent results. MCS designs, installs, and services a broad range
> of IP Convergence Technology systems grouped into three main divisions
> - Information Systems, Telecommunications, and Building Automation. As
> a member of the ADS-B team, MCS will assemble ADS-B equipment racks
> and will perform critical field installations.
>
>
> Pragmatics provides full life cycle software engineering support. They
> use cutting-edge technologies, tools, and processes to make their
> customers' strategic visions a reality. Their areas of expertise
> include web-enabled, real-time, and data warehousing systems in the
> command and control, financial, logistics, and telecommunications
> domains. Pragmatics will apply their CMMI Level 4 software development
> processes to support the development and maintenance of ADS-B
> software.
>
>
> With over 100 years experience in senior executive and managerial
> positions within the FAA including policy formulation and execution;
> management and technical training; and technology applications, WCG
> will provide air traffic control operational expertise to the ADS-B
> team. WCG can provide consulting services, operational support and
> training for virtually every element that is critical to the operation
> of an air traffic system for both domestic and international needs.
>
>
> Aviation Communication & Surveillance Systems is a leader in avionics
> systems that increase safety and efficiency for civil and military
> aircraft operators. ACSS has recently received FAA certification for
> SafeRoute, a portfolio of airborne ADS-B IN applications that provide
> direct benefits to the aircraft operators by addressing runway
> incursion and improving situational awareness and approach sequencing
> issues. ACSS brings extensive ADS-B avionics experience to the ADS-B
> team.
>
>
> NCR is a leading provider of IT Maintenance and Support Services
> providing unique capability and value through their proven operational
> performance, in-depth domain knowledge, Intelligent Services
> Architecture, and trusted customer relationships. These drive
> continual cost reduction and quality improvement through NCR's
> integrated delivery infrastructure and Knowledge Driven Services. NCR
> will concentrate on performing field maintenance of deployed ADS-B
> equipment for the team.
>
>
> The Bottom Line
> The ADS-B America solution is low risk and high-performance, offering
> low life-cycle cost and full compliance with the letter and spirit of
> FAA- service requirements. The ITT team assures a highly successful
> program and will maintain a high-level of partnership with the FAA.

On Sep 3, 5:04 pm, "Bob Gardner" > wrote:
> Which company should have received the contract, in your opinion..L-M?
> Raytheon? Someone was going to get it, because ADS-B is going to get a huge
> monkey off the back of the ATC system. Pilots won't be required to equip for
> it until 2020, and I'm pretty sure that is enough lead time for anyone to
> make plans regarding his or her airplane. I remember when VOR came along,
> and I remember when transponders were mandated....no one accepts being
> force-fed graciously, but we sure have plenty of warning this time.
>
> Bob Gardner
>
> "Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING $1.8 BILLION ON
> > (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/944-full.html#196044)
> > The FAA has decided who to saddle with hundreds of millions of dollars
> > and the responsibility to install the ground-based portion of the
> > Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system. It has
> > awarded ITT a contract worth up to $1.8 billion to deploy upwards of
> > 700 ground stations that will one day "run more aircraft safely and
> > with more efficiency," according to FAA deputy administrator, Robert
> > A. Sturgell. Losing out in this phase were rivals Raytheon and
> > Lockheed Martin.
>
> > But $1.8 billion is just the beginning. ITT only won the right to
> > build, own and maintain the ADS-B ground stations, many of which will
> > likely find homes in AT&T cellphone towers (AT&T is a contract
> > partner). The complete "next-gen" system is projected to cost near $15
> > billion over the next decade. For ITT's part, the ground stations
> > aren't expected to be completed until 2013 -- and you likely won't be
> > required to have ADS-B in your airplane until sometime around 2020.
> > -------------
>
> >http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=ITTNe....
> > ITT Corporation awarded contract to lead FAA's ADS-B air traffic
> > modernization program
>
> > Next generation system will streamline air traffic flow using GPS,
> > other advanced technology
>
> > McLean, Va. - August 30, 2007 - ITT Corporation (NYSE: ITT) today
> > announced it was awarded a $207 million initial contract by the
> > Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to lead a team to develop and
> > deploy the Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B)
> > system. ADS-B is a key component of the FAA's NextGen program intended
> > to increase safety and efficiency to meet the growing needs of air
> > transportation.
>
> > The period of performance for the initial contract is three years,
> > with a contract value of $207 million. Under the contract, ITT will be
> > responsible for overall system integration and engineering and under
> > contract options will operate and maintain the system after deployment
> > through September 2025. The contract has a potential value with all
> > options exercised of $1.86 billion.
>
> > "The ITT Team is proud to have been selected by the FAA as its partner
> > in the establishment of this technology that will form the basis for
> > the transformation of the air transportation system under the FAA's
> > NextGen vision," said Steve Gaffney, president of ITT Defense. "ITT
> > and its premier team of industry partners are committed to working
> > with the FAA to ensure this NextGen cornerstone program delivers its
> > full potential for enhanced National Airspace System safety,
> > efficiency and capacity."
>
> > The ITT team includes its partners AT&T, Thales North America, WSI,
> > SAIC, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Aerospace Engineering, Sunhillo,
> > Comsearch, MCS of Tampa, Pragmatics, Washington Consulting Group,
> > Aviation Communications and Surveillance Systems (ACSS), Sandia
> > Aerospace and NCR Corporation.
>
> > The ITT team will work with the FAA to deploy a nationwide air traffic
> > control surveillance network consisting of field radio sites, data
> > processing centers, network operations centers, and equipment to
> > enable delivery of surveillance data to air traffic control
> > facilities. The deployed ADS-B surveillance network is designed to
> > provide more accurate and rapidly updating position data using GPS to
> > determine aircraft position. Other major benefits of the system
> > include:
>
> > a surveillance network that is more cost effective than today's
> > network of radar systems,
> > a potential future data link for delivery of safety information to
> > aircraft cockpits, and
> > a mechanism for future air-to-air exchange of position data which will
> > dramatically enhance pilot situational awareness.
>
> > ITT brings more than 60 years of experience in providing civil and
> > military air traffic control (ATC) systems, technology and support,
> > including supplying GPS technology for ATC since the 1980s. Every GPS
> > satellite launched features an ITT navigation payload.
>
> > For more information on the ITT ADS-B Team and access to imagery, go
> > to:www.itt.com/adsb
>
> > For more information on the FAA's NextGen, go to:www.adsb.gov
>
> > About ITT Corporation
> > ITT Corporation (www.itt.com) supplies advanced technology products
> > and services in several growth markets. ITT is a global leader in the
> > transport, treatment and control of water, wastewater and other
> > fluids. The company plays a vital role in international security
> > through its defense communications and electronics products; space
> > surveillance and intelligence systems; and advanced engineering and
> > related services. It also serves the growing leisure marine and
> > electronic components market with a wide range of products.
> > Headquartered in White Plains, NY, the company generated $7.8 billion
> > in 2006 sales.
>
> > Contact:
> > Tom Glover
> > (703) 790-6334
> >
> > -----------------------------
>
> >http://www.itt.com/adsb/
> > How ADS/B Works:http://www.itt.com/adsb/images/IT-ADS-B-Graphic.jpg
> > ----------------
> >http://www.itt.com/adsb/meet_the_team.html
> > TEAM MEMBERS
>
> > ITT is a proven systems integrator with a track record of success in
> > air-traffic control and within the FAA. ITT has applied its skills to
> > develop a systems architecture through a top-down system engineering
> > process that will meet all FAA requirements to include safety,
> > security, and spectrum efficiency. This architecture is low risk and
> > assures cost-effectiveness and sustained high availability providing a
> > services solution that will fully meet the FAA's and the user
> > communities' needs.
>
> > Thales is a leading international electronics and systems group,
> > serving defense, aerospace and security markets worldwide. Thales Air
> > Systems Division develops systems and equipment to support airspace
> > safety and security. In civil aviation markets, Thales provides
> > tailored solutions in all phases of air traffic management, as well as
> > ground-based navigational aids, satellite navigation systems and
> > airport security solutions. Thales is a leading provider of ADS-B
> > systems including successful programs with Australia, France and
> > Eurocontrol.
>
> > AT&T is coupling its secure worldwide network infrastructure, network
> > management, and data hosting expertise with the company's long history
> > serving the FAA. At the center of AT&T's support to the project is its
> > proven Enterprise Management System, which AT&T will use to control
> > and monitor system activity. The Enterprise Management System uses a
> > combination of COTS and proprietary products to evaluate network
> > performance, diagnose problems, restore service, and proactively
> > manage the network. And when catastrophic events occur, AT&T maintains
> > a team of professionals and a fleet of over 150 pieces of mobile-
> > recovery equipment positioned to respond. Underpinning every solution
> > AT&T builds are the global resources and assets of one of the largest
> > providers of communications services in the world. AT&T's dynamic
> > service management tools, advanced technology, and experienced staff
> > modernize operations and enhance its customers' experience, allowing
> > agencies to focus on their mission, not their IT challenges.
>
> > The Sunhillo Corporation has provided data communications products and
> > engineering expertise to the Air-Traffic Control (ATC) community for
> > over 15 years. Our innovative data communications and emulation
> > solutions have been deployed in En Route, Terminal, Oceanic, as well
> > as military and international installations. Having originally
> > provided a key technical role in the design and implementation of the
> > En Route Communication Gateway (ECG) FAA Program, Sunhillo continues
> > to directly support the FAA to ensure the continuous operation of the
> > ECG; resulting in the real-time distribution of radar, flight data,
> > and other critical ATC operationally critical information. Sunhillo
> > has also successfully provided data integration and conversion
> > solutions to support Homeland Security and Defense initiatives that
> > require the aggregation and integration of disparate, national sensor
> > information. Building upon the expertise gained during these and
> > other past successful initiatives, we would be proud to have the
> > opportunity to help ensure the seamless integration of ADS-B
> > information into the NAS with no impact to existing and future
> > automation systems.
>
> > In addition to established weather services, physical infrastructure,
> > and decision-support applications, WSI provides proven technical and
> > commercial experience delivering vital weather information to aircraft
> > systems and avionics via diverse communication, hardware, and software
> > interfaces. WSI has a strong strategic vision and technical expertise
> > to field FIS-B and create value for end users: seamless, hybrid
> > cockpit data link weather capability leveraging multiple communication
> > links and service tiers. WSI has proven experience complying with RTCA
> > standards and the FAA certification process. WSI is a trusted weather
> > provider to current FAA programs including ETMS, AFSS, MITRE CAASD,
> > and Capstone &
>
> ...
>
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ADS-B provides a lot of benefits for pilots. Situational awareness
with regard to other traffic and weather without having to install
TCAS, TPAS, or XM Weather. If they do it right the ADS-B box will
cost less than $10K and will interface with most moving map displays
(expect software updates from all the vendors to support it).

wrote:
>
>ADS-B provides a lot of benefits for pilots. Situational awareness
>with regard to other traffic and weather without having to install
>TCAS, TPAS, or XM Weather. If they do it right the ADS-B box will
>cost less than $10K and will interface with most moving map displays
>(expect software updates from all the vendors to support it).
>

Oh is that JUST $10,000. Maybe I should buy two or three.

Ron Lee

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:04:26 -0700, "Bob Gardner" >
wrote in >:

>Which company should have received the contract, in your opinion..L-M?
>Raytheon?

I'm happy to see someone other than Boeing or LockMart get the ADS/B
contract. But I have issues with the whole ADS/B implementation.

ADS/B will work well for the airlines, and I would guess ground
controllers will be pleased with the additional information. But what
about military aircraft?

>Someone was going to get it, because ADS-B is going to get a huge
>monkey off the back of the ATC system.

To which particular monkey are you referring?

>Pilots won't be required to equip for
>it until 2020, and I'm pretty sure that is enough lead time for anyone to
>make plans regarding his or her airplane.

Have you any idea of the cost of equipping a light single with ADS/B?

>I remember when VOR came along,
>and I remember when transponders were mandated....no one accepts being
>force-fed graciously, but we sure have plenty of warning this time.
>
>Bob Gardner

I guess aircraft without electrical systems will be similarly exempt
from the mandate to equip.

I just hope pilots don't rely exclusively on the nifty new box in the
panel to deconflict traffic. I can see where ADS/B might
influence/reduce the amount of windscreen scanning in the future. That
would be a mistake.

I'm not in agreement with privatizing the NAS ADS/B system. It seems
a thinly camouflaged prelude to user fees.

In article m>,
wrote:

> If they do it right the ADS-B box will
> cost less than $10K and will interface with most moving map displays
> (expect software updates from all the vendors to support it).

cripes!!! for $10,000 it better include a moving map display and a whole
bunch of other stuff. There isn't anywhere enough stuff to the ADS-B equipment
to justify anything close to $10,000.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:

> ADS/B will work well for the airlines, and I would guess ground
> controllers will be pleased with the additional information. But what
> about military aircraft?

What about military aircraft? (btw - you might want to ask about ALL
non-civilian aircraft, foreign and domestic, not just military aircraft).

I expect DoD aircraft will get ADS-B, assuming sufficient funding is
provided by Congress.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:48:00 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote in
>:

>In article >,
> Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>> ADS/B will work well for the airlines, and I would guess ground
>> controllers will be pleased with the additional information. But what
>> about military aircraft?
>
>What about military aircraft? (btw - you might want to ask about ALL
>non-civilian aircraft, foreign and domestic, not just military aircraft).

From what I recall, the military has no intention to equip its
aircraft with ADA/B. Instead, there has been a proposal to create
another (ground based) system to broadcast their position to the ADS/B
network. That would seem to defeat the ability of ADS/B equipped
aircraft to detect each other independent of third parties.

>I expect DoD aircraft will get ADS-B, assuming sufficient funding is
>provided by Congress.

They claim there is no room to install the equipment in many of their
aircraft:



http://www.mitre.org/work/tech_papers/tech_papers_04/borrelli_adsb/borrelli_adsb.pdf
ADS-B TO LINK-16 GATEWAY DEMONSTRATION: AN INVESTIGATION OF A
LOW-COST ADS-B OPTION FOR MILITARY AIRCRAFT

George S. Borrelli, The MITRE Corporation, Bedford, MA 01730
Disclaimer: “The statements contained herein are that of the
author and not of the FAA, nor of the United States Air Force.”

Summary A new system was demonstrated as a prototype that provides
the advantages of Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast
(ADS-B) for the military, yet totally avoids military aircraft
modifications. The system was demonstrated on operational United
States Air Force (USAF) aircraft using ADS-B equipped general
aviation aircraft as the source. The demonstration was conducted
in 2003. The result of the demonstration was highly positive
commentary from engineers and the pilots. Although significant
work remains prior to full fielding and operations, a decision was
made to incorporate the prototype into a future datalinks concept.

Introduction In certain regions of the world, military aircraft
actively and heavily share airspace ...

In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:48:00 -0400, Bob Noel
> > wrote in
> >:
>
> >In article >,
> > Larry Dighera > wrote:
> >
> >> ADS/B will work well for the airlines, and I would guess ground
> >> controllers will be pleased with the additional information. But what
> >> about military aircraft?
> >
> >What about military aircraft? (btw - you might want to ask about ALL
> >non-civilian aircraft, foreign and domestic, not just military aircraft).
>
> From what I recall, the military has no intention to equip its
> aircraft with ADA/B.

Who declared the military's intention wrt ADS-B equippage? What person?
What office?


> Instead, there has been a proposal to create
> another (ground based) system to broadcast their position to the ADS/B
> network.

Borrelli's demo of a ADS-B/Link-16 gateway was just that, a demo.

> That would seem to defeat the ability of ADS/B equipped
> aircraft to detect each other independent of third parties.

well, until the Mode S mafia stops insisting that Mode S can be used for
ADS-B we are going to have a problem with the ability to detect ALL
other traffic without any gateway.

> >I expect DoD aircraft will get ADS-B, assuming sufficient funding is
> >provided by Congress.
>
> They claim there is no room to install the equipment in many of their
> aircraft:

Who is "they"?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 06:22:58 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote in
>:

>In article >,
> Larry Dighera > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 21:48:00 -0400, Bob Noel
>> > wrote in
>> >:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > Larry Dighera > wrote:
>> >
>> >> ADS/B will work well for the airlines, and I would guess ground
>> >> controllers will be pleased with the additional information. But what
>> >> about military aircraft?
>> >
>> >What about military aircraft? (btw - you might want to ask about ALL
>> >non-civilian aircraft, foreign and domestic, not just military aircraft).
>>
>> From what I recall, the military has no intention to equip its
>> aircraft with ADA/B.
>
>Who declared the military's intention wrt ADS-B equippage? What person?
>What office?
>
>
>> Instead, there has been a proposal to create
>> another (ground based) system to broadcast their position to the ADS/B
>> network.
>
>Borrelli's demo of a ADS-B/Link-16 gateway was just that, a demo.

Did you read it? Do you believe the assertions made in that document
are inaccurate?

>> That would seem to defeat the ability of ADS/B equipped
>> aircraft to detect each other independent of third parties.
>
>well, until the Mode S mafia stops insisting that Mode S can be used for
>ADS-B we are going to have a problem with the ability to detect ALL
>other traffic without any gateway.

Are you aware of an ADS/B system that isn't based on Mode S?

>> >I expect DoD aircraft will get ADS-B, assuming sufficient funding is
>> >provided by Congress.
>>
>> They claim there is no room to install the equipment in many of their
>> aircraft:
>
>Who is "they"?

IIRC, it was in the at the link I provided in my previous followup.

Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>
> WHAT YOU'RE SPENDING $1.8 BILLION ON
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/944-full.html#196044)
> The FAA has decided who to saddle with hundreds of millions of dollars
> and the responsibility to install the ground-based portion of the
> Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) system. It has
> awarded ITT a contract worth up to $1.8 billion to deploy upwards of
> 700 ground stations that will one day "run more aircraft safely and
> with more efficiency," according to FAA deputy administrator, Robert
> A. Sturgell. Losing out in this phase were rivals Raytheon and
> Lockheed Martin.
>
> But $1.8 billion is just the beginning. ITT only won the right to
> build, own and maintain the ADS-B ground stations, many of which will
> likely find homes in AT&T cellphone towers (AT&T is a contract
> partner). The complete "next-gen" system is projected to cost near $15
> billion over the next decade. For ITT's part, the ground stations
> aren't expected to be completed until 2013 -- and you likely won't be
> required to have ADS-B in your airplane until sometime around 2020.
> -------------
>
>
> http://vocuspr.vocus.com/VocusPR30/Newsroom/Query.aspx?SiteName=ITTNew&Entity=PRAsset&SF_PRAsset_PRAssetID_EQ=138753&XSL=PressRelease&Cache=False
> ITT Corporation awarded contract to lead FAA's ADS-B air traffic
> modernization program
>
> Next generation system will streamline air traffic flow using GPS,
> other advanced technology
>
> McLean, Va. - August 30, 2007 - ITT Corporation (NYSE: ITT) today
> announced it was awarded a $207 million initial contract by the
> Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to lead a team to develop and
> deploy the Automatic Dependent Surveillance – Broadcast (ADS-B)
> system. ADS-B is a key component of the FAA's NextGen program intended
> to increase safety and efficiency to meet the growing needs of air
> transportation.
>
> The period of performance for the initial contract is three years,
> with a contract value of $207 million. Under the contract, ITT will be
> responsible for overall system integration and engineering and under
> contract options will operate and maintain the system after deployment
> through September 2025. The contract has a potential value with all
> options exercised of $1.86 billion.
>
> "The ITT Team is proud to have been selected by the FAA as its partner
> in the establishment of this technology that will form the basis for
> the transformation of the air transportation system under the FAA's
> NextGen vision," said Steve Gaffney, president of ITT Defense. "ITT
> and its premier team of industry partners are committed to working
> with the FAA to ensure this NextGen cornerstone program delivers its
> full potential for enhanced National Airspace System safety,
> efficiency and capacity."
>
> The ITT team includes its partners AT&T, Thales North America, WSI,
> SAIC, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Aerospace Engineering, Sunhillo,
> Comsearch, MCS of Tampa, Pragmatics, Washington Consulting Group,
> Aviation Communications and Surveillance Systems (ACSS), Sandia
> Aerospace and NCR Corporation.
>
> The ITT team will work with the FAA to deploy a nationwide air traffic
> control surveillance network consisting of field radio sites, data
> processing centers, network operations centers, and equipment to
> enable delivery of surveillance data to air traffic control
> facilities. The deployed ADS-B surveillance network is designed to
> provide more accurate and rapidly updating position data using GPS to
> determine aircraft position. Other major benefits of the system
> include:
>
>
> a surveillance network that is more cost effective than today's
> network of radar systems,
> a potential future data link for delivery of safety information to
> aircraft cockpits, and
> a mechanism for future air-to-air exchange of position data which will
> dramatically enhance pilot situational awareness.
>
> ITT brings more than 60 years of experience in providing civil and
> military air traffic control (ATC) systems, technology and support,
> including supplying GPS technology for ATC since the 1980s. Every GPS
> satellite launched features an ITT navigation payload.
>
> For more information on the ITT ADS-B Team and access to imagery, go
> to: www.itt.com/adsb
>
> For more information on the FAA's NextGen, go to: www.adsb.gov
>
> About ITT Corporation
> ITT Corporation ( www.itt.com ) supplies advanced technology products
> and services in several growth markets. ITT is a global leader in the
> transport, treatment and control of water, wastewater and other
> fluids. The company plays a vital role in international security
> through its defense communications and electronics products; space
> surveillance and intelligence systems; and advanced engineering and
> related services. It also serves the growing leisure marine and
> electronic components market with a wide range of products.
> Headquartered in White Plains, NY, the company generated $7.8 billion
> in 2006 sales.
>
> Contact:
> Tom Glover
> (703) 790-6334
>
> -----------------------------
>
> http://www.itt.com/adsb/
> How ADS/B Works: http://www.itt.com/adsb/images/IT-ADS-B-Graphic.jpg
> ----------------
> http://www.itt.com/adsb/meet_the_team.html
> TEAM MEMBERS
>
>
> ITT is a proven systems integrator with a track record of success in
> air-traffic control and within the FAA. ITT has applied its skills to
> develop a systems architecture through a top-down system engineering
> process that will meet all FAA requirements to include safety,
> security, and spectrum efficiency. This architecture is low risk and
> assures cost-effectiveness and sustained high availability providing a
> services solution that will fully meet the FAA's and the user
> communities' needs.
>
>
> Thales is a leading international electronics and systems group,
> serving defense, aerospace and security markets worldwide. Thales Air
> Systems Division develops systems and equipment to support airspace
> safety and security. In civil aviation markets, Thales provides
> tailored solutions in all phases of air traffic management, as well as
> ground-based navigational aids, satellite navigation systems and
> airport security solutions. Thales is a leading provider of ADS-B
> systems including successful programs with Australia, France and
> Eurocontrol.
>
>
> AT&T is coupling its secure worldwide network infrastructure, network
> management, and data hosting expertise with the company's long history
> serving the FAA. At the center of AT&T's support to the project is its
> proven Enterprise Management System, which AT&T will use to control
> and monitor system activity. The Enterprise Management System uses a
> combination of COTS and proprietary products to evaluate network
> performance, diagnose problems, restore service, and proactively
> manage the network. And when catastrophic events occur, AT&T maintains
> a team of professionals and a fleet of over 150 pieces of mobile-
> recovery equipment positioned to respond. Underpinning every solution
> AT&T builds are the global resources and assets of one of the largest
> providers of communications services in the world. AT&T's dynamic
> service management tools, advanced technology, and experienced staff
> modernize operations and enhance its customers' experience, allowing
> agencies to focus on their mission, not their IT challenges.
>
>
> The Sunhillo Corporation has provided data communications products and
> engineering expertise to the Air-Traffic Control (ATC) community for
> over 15 years. Our innovative data communications and emulation
> solutions have been deployed in En Route, Terminal, Oceanic, as well
> as military and international installations. Having originally
> provided a key technical role in the design and implementation of the
> En Route Communication Gateway (ECG) FAA Program, Sunhillo continues
> to directly support the FAA to ensure the continuous operation of the
> ECG; resulting in the real-time distribution of radar, flight data,
> and other critical ATC operationally critical information. Sunhillo
> has also successfully provided data integration and conversion
> solutions to support Homeland Security and Defense initiatives that
> require the aggregation and integration of disparate, national sensor
> information. Building upon the expertise gained during these and
> other past successful initiatives, we would be proud to have the
> opportunity to help ensure the seamless integration of ADS-B
> information into the NAS with no impact to existing and future
> automation systems.
>
>
> In addition to established weather services, physical infrastructure,
> and decision-support applications, WSI provides proven technical and
> commercial experience delivering vital weather information to aircraft
> systems and avionics via diverse communication, hardware, and software
> interfaces. WSI has a strong strategic vision and technical expertise
> to field FIS-B and create value for end users: seamless, hybrid
> cockpit data link weather capability leveraging multiple communication
> links and service tiers. WSI has proven experience complying with RTCA
> standards and the FAA certification process. WSI is a trusted weather
> provider to current FAA programs including ETMS, AFSS, MITRE CAASD,
> and Capstone & Safe Flight 21 ADS-B programs, among others. WSI's
> industry-accepted weather products are used by thousands of current GA
> and commercial aviation customers to make critical flight decisions.
> We enthusiastically bring our extensive applicable experience and
> track record of success to the ADS-B initiative.
>
>
> SAIC is a leading provider of scientific, engineering, systems
> integration, and technical services and solutions. With more than
> 44,000 employees in over 150 cities worldwide, SAIC engineers and
> scientists solve complex technical challenges requiring innovative
> solutions for customers' mission-critical functions. SAIC assists the
> Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) in the development and
> modernization of civil aviation and the national airspace. We provide
> systems integration, acquisition planning, and system implementation
> for air navigation, air-traffic control, landing systems, and vertical
> flight operations.
> SAIC: FROM SCIENCE TO SOLUTIONS™
>
>
> Aerospace Engineering is a veteran- owned, small business supplying
> software tools and services to the FAA and the aviation industry for
> more than 18 years. Our dedicated team of scientists and engineers
> specialize in real-time aviation systems including airline arrival-
> management and optimization systems. We offer a powerful suite of
> off-the-shelf products including AERALIB® development libraries for
> next generation ATC/ATM systems, AwSim™ simulation and metrics tools,
> and Avid™ airspace visual analysis tools. Our experience base, along
> with our suite of tools, provides a unique capability for prototyping
> and measuring the benefits of ADS/B-enabled systems, operational
> procedures, and ATC concepts.
>
>
> PricewaterhouseCoopers provides industry-focused assurance, tax, and
> advisory services to build public trust and enhance value for its
> clients and their stakeholders. More than 140,000 people in 149
> countries across our network share their thinking, experience, and
> solutions to develop fresh perspectives and practical advice.
>
>
> Comsearch provides innovative spectrum management and wireless
> engineering solutions to the global market for fixed, mobile and
> broadband wireless applications. For three decades, their experienced
> engineers, software products and information databases have addressed
> wireless system design and the specific challenges of identifying,
> analyzing and resolving radio frequency interference for an evolving
> wireless industry. This specific area of expertise will allow
> Comsearch to perform radio frequency interference and coverage
> analysis for the ADS-B team.
>
>
> Mission Critical Solutions (MCS) is more than just a name; it is also
> their promise and commitment to providing their high profile clients
> consistent results. MCS designs, installs, and services a broad range
> of IP Convergence Technology systems grouped into three main divisions
> - Information Systems, Telecommunications, and Building Automation. As
> a member of the ADS-B team, MCS will assemble ADS-B equipment racks
> and will perform critical field installations.
>
>
> Pragmatics provides full life cycle software engineering support. They
> use cutting-edge technologies, tools, and processes to make their
> customers' strategic visions a reality. Their areas of expertise
> include web-enabled, real-time, and data warehousing systems in the
> command and control, financial, logistics, and telecommunications
> domains. Pragmatics will apply their CMMI Level 4 software development
> processes to support the development and maintenance of ADS-B
> software.
>
>
> With over 100 years experience in senior executive and managerial
> positions within the FAA including policy formulation and execution;
> management and technical training; and technology applications, WCG
> will provide air traffic control operational expertise to the ADS-B
> team. WCG can provide consulting services, operational support and
> training for virtually every element that is critical to the operation
> of an air traffic system for both domestic and international needs.
>
>
> Aviation Communication & Surveillance Systems is a leader in avionics
> systems that increase safety and efficiency for civil and military
> aircraft operators. ACSS has recently received FAA certification for
> SafeRoute, a portfolio of airborne ADS-B IN applications that provide
> direct benefits to the aircraft operators by addressing runway
> incursion and improving situational awareness and approach sequencing
> issues. ACSS brings extensive ADS-B avionics experience to the ADS-B
> team.
>
>
> NCR is a leading provider of IT Maintenance and Support Services
> providing unique capability and value through their proven operational
> performance, in-depth domain knowledge, Intelligent Services
> Architecture, and trusted customer relationships. These drive
> continual cost reduction and quality improvement through NCR’s
> integrated delivery infrastructure and Knowledge Driven Services. NCR
> will concentrate on performing field maintenance of deployed ADS-B
> equipment for the team.
>
>
> The Bottom Line
> The ADS-B America solution is low risk and high-performance, offering
> low life-cycle cost and full compliance with the letter and spirit of
> FAA- service requirements. The ITT team assures a highly successful
> program and will maintain a high-level of partnership with the FAA.

Just like Mode S huh? Another money pit boondoggle that will
be a cluster **** and cost 10 times as much and in the end
it won't work

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:52 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:

> That
> would seem to defeat the ability of ADS/B equipped aircraft to detect each
> other independent of third parties.

As does the use of three mutually incompatible transceivers.

- Andrew

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:09:50 -0400, Andrew Gideon >
wrote in >:

>On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 08:52:52 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> That
>> would seem to defeat the ability of ADS/B equipped aircraft to detect each
>> other independent of third parties.
>
>As does the use of three mutually incompatible transceivers.
>
> - Andrew

Surly ITT will address that issue.

Have you any idea how the features of each compare?

In article >,
Larry Dighera > wrote:

> >> From what I recall, the military has no intention to equip its
> >> aircraft with ADA/B.
> >
> >Who declared the military's intention wrt ADS-B equippage? What person?
> >What office?

Is the MITRE document on the ADS-B/Link-16 gateway your only source
for your belief wrt the military intention wrt ADS-B equippage?

> >
> >
> >> Instead, there has been a proposal to create
> >> another (ground based) system to broadcast their position to the ADS/B
> >> network.
> >
> >Borrelli's demo of a ADS-B/Link-16 gateway was just that, a demo.
>
> Did you read it?

Yes. Did you?.

"Disclaimer: 'The statements contained herein are that of the author and not of
the FAA, nor of the United States Air Force.'"

"demonstrated", "prototype"...

"In this paper, the reader is introduced to the purpose of this demonstration,
objectives, the experience during three days of flight testing, and conclusions.
Finally, the paper provides a recommendation to develop a Concept of Operations
(CONOPS) in order to proceed with system deployment."

>Do you believe the assertions made in that document
> are inaccurate?

Is there part of the paper that you think is the military's position on ADS-B?

>
> >> That would seem to defeat the ability of ADS/B equipped
> >> aircraft to detect each other independent of third parties.
> >
> >well, until the Mode S mafia stops insisting that Mode S can be used for
> >ADS-B we are going to have a problem with the ability to detect ALL
> >other traffic without any gateway.
>
> Are you aware of an ADS/B system that isn't based on Mode S?

Yes. There is the UAT. If you go to the FAA website a couple of the
recent press releases on ADS-B mention the FAA "decision" to have Mode-S
and UAT as the two datalinks for ADS-B.


>
> >> >I expect DoD aircraft will get ADS-B, assuming sufficient funding is
> >> >provided by Congress.
> >>
> >> They claim there is no room to install the equipment in many of their
> >> aircraft:
> >
> >Who is "they"?
>
> IIRC, it was in the at the link I provided in my previous followup.

MITRE?

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:16:03 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:

> Surly ITT will address that issue.

How? Is that even in their mandate?

> Have you any idea how the features of each compare?

Not any more, in detail. I did read a couple of reports on this, and I
also had a chat with a engineer involved in at least one of the systems.
But this was all a while ago, and I never did know more than a little

The mode S based system, if memory and gossip serves, exists only as a
cost-savings device for the airlines (though I admit I don't quite see
how...unless they've already invested in mode S; have they?). The UAT
appeared to be the more generally useful, again if memory serves.

VDL apparently has some advantages over longer range. (ie. oceanic).

I'd welcome someone with more knowledge to provide details. But the fact
remains that we've three mutually incompatible mechanisms in a system a
major advantage of which is peer-peer communication. That seems
counterproductive.

Andrew

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 19:38:40 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote in
>:

>the paper provides a recommendation to develop a Concept of Operations
>(CONOPS) in order to proceed with system deployment.

That's what leads me to believe the military will deploy the gateway
system rather than equip their fleet with ADS/B.

In article >,
Andrew Gideon > wrote:

> The mode S based system, if memory and gossip serves, exists only as a
> cost-savings device for the airlines (though I admit I don't quite see
> how...unless they've already invested in mode S; have they?).

The airlines already have Mode S (it's a required component of TCAS II).
Cargo aircraft are also being equipped with Mode S.

--
Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:06:51 -0000, wrote in
m>:

>
>ADS-B provides a lot of benefits for pilots. Situational awareness
>with regard to other traffic and weather without having to install
>TCAS, TPAS, or XM Weather. If they do it right the ADS-B box will
>cost less than $10K and will interface with most moving map displays
>(expect software updates from all the vendors to support it).



http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ato/service_units/enroute/surveillance_broadcast/program_office_news/media/Follow%20Up%20Contract%20Award_ADS-B%20Q&As_8-30-07_Final.pdf
http://tinyurl.com/yuy6bt
How much will it cost general aviation to equip?
The cost to equip a general aviation aircraft ranges from $7,644
to $10,920 for ADS-B "Out" [where data are transmitted OUT of the
aircraft's transponder] and from $10,444 to $29,770 for ADS-B
"Out" and ADS-B "In" depending on aircraft type. It is expected
that most general aviation operators will desire the ADS-B
“In” services. However, the unit costs for general aviation are
expected to drop 30 percent after the introduction of the final
rule mandating ADS-B avionics equipage. The final rule is targeted
for fall of 2009. ...

Will there be a rule mandating avionics equipage needed for ADS-B?
The agency expects to issue a notice of proposed rulemaking that
would mandate the avionics necessary for implementing ADS-B across
the national airspace system. This proposed rule is targeted for
release in September 2007. The FAA hopes to issue the final
rule in late 2009. This rule will be structured much like today’s
transponder rule, so that ADS-B avionics will be required to
operate in controlled airspace and the busy terminal airspace
around major airports. Aircraft owners who don’t plan to fly in
the ADS-Brequired airspace will not have to equip; however, those
that do will benefit from cockpit displays of traffic, weather,
and terrain maps that will help them fly more safely.

How will the move from radars to ADS-B be coordinated?
Under the contract, the FAA expects by 2010 to be able to
“commission” ADS-B services for use in the national airspace
system, and by 2013 to have coverage everywhere there is now radar
coverage. The full evolution of ADS-B will take about 20 years,
taken in manageable segments of equipage and ground-station
installation, with about half of the legacy radars maintained
throughout to provide a back-up in case of a GPS outage. Benefits
in improved safety and efficiency will accrue with each step of
the implementation.

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:16:05 -0400, Bob Noel wrote:

> The airlines already have Mode S (it's a required component of TCAS II).
> Cargo aircraft are also being equipped with Mode S.

Ah! Yes, that clarifies the mode S issue for me. Thanks...

Andrew

On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:05:27 -0400, Andrew Gideon >
wrote in >:

>On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:16:03 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> Surly ITT will address that issue.
>
>How? Is that even in their mandate?
>

I have no idea. Are you intimating that ITT will support incompatible
ADS/B service?

>> Have you any idea how the features of each compare?
>
>Not any more, in detail. I did read a couple of reports on this, and I
>also had a chat with a engineer involved in at least one of the systems.
>But this was all a while ago, and I never did know more than a little
>
>The mode S based system, if memory and gossip serves, exists only as a
>cost-savings device for the airlines (though I admit I don't quite see
>how...unless they've already invested in mode S; have they?).

This is the only information I have on that issue:

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:16:05 -0400, Bob Noel
> wrote in
>:

>The airlines already have Mode S (it's a required component of
> TCAS II).
>Cargo aircraft are also being equipped with Mode S.
>
>--
>Bob Noel

>The UAT appeared to be the more generally useful, again if memory serves.

Have you got a link to information about that system?

>VDL apparently has some advantages over longer range. (ie. oceanic).

Have you got a link to information about that system?

>I'd welcome someone with more knowledge to provide details. But the fact
>remains that we've three mutually incompatible mechanisms in a system a
>major advantage of which is peer-peer communication. That seems
>counterproductive.
>
> Andrew

I suppose it depends on how incompatible these three systems are. If
it's merely a matter of data format, I suppose that might be
accommodate rather easily.

On Sep 4, 9:05 pm, Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:16:03 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:
> > Surly ITT will address that issue.
>
> How? Is that even in their mandate?
>
> > Have you any idea how the features of each compare?
>
> Not any more, in detail. I did read a couple of reports on this, and I
> also had a chat with a engineer involved in at least one of the systems.
> But this was all a while ago, and I never did know more than a little
>
> The mode S based system, if memory and gossip serves, exists only as a
> cost-savings device for the airlines (though I admit I don't quite see
> how...unless they've already invested in mode S; have they?). The UAT
> appeared to be the more generally useful, again if memory serves.
>
> VDL apparently has some advantages over longer range. (ie. oceanic).
>
> I'd welcome someone with more knowledge to provide details. But the fact
> remains that we've three mutually incompatible mechanisms in a system a
> major advantage of which is peer-peer communication. That seems
> counterproductive.
>
> Andrew

I'm not sure if <http://www.faa.gov/asd/ads-b/06-07-02_ADS-B-
Overview.pdf> is still current, but the picture on Page 9 would seem
to indicate that the ground station takes care of interoperability
between different link types. Also, Page 5 indicates that TIS-B will
provide interoperability for aircraft not equipped with ADS-B Out.

I'll ask some colleagues at work tomorrow for more detailed info.

Regards,
Jon

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:18:53 -0700, Jon wrote:

> but the picture on Page 9 would seem to
> indicate that the ground station takes care of interoperability between
> different link types.

But that requires ground stations in sight of both aircraft, and therefore
eliminates one of the stated advantages.

> Also, Page 5 indicates that TIS-B will provide
> interoperability for aircraft not equipped with ADS-B Out.

The ground stations will broadcast not just what is received via ADS-B but
also what's received via conventional RADAR. I assume that this is what's
meant.

- Andrew

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:18:53 -0700, Jon >
wrote in om>:

>
>I'm not sure if <http://www.faa.gov/asd/ads-b/06-07-02_ADS-B-
>Overview.pdf> is still current, but the picture on Page 9 would seem
>to indicate that the ground station takes care of interoperability
>between different link types. Also, Page 5 indicates that TIS-B will
>provide interoperability for aircraft not equipped with ADS-B Out.
>
>I'll ask some colleagues at work tomorrow for more detailed info.
>
>Regards,
>Jon


Many thanks for that link. That document answers most of the
questions raised in this thread. I don't know if it's still current;
it's dated June 7, 2002.

On Sep 5, 9:49 pm, Andrew Gideon > wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:18:53 -0700, Jon wrote:
> > but the picture on Page 9 would seem to
> > indicate that the ground station takes care of interoperability between
> > different link types.
>
> But that requires ground stations in sight of both aircraft,

I'm not sure I'm following. Isn't that the idea behind Surveillance?

As more ground stations are deployed the service volumes will
increase.

> and therefore eliminates one of the stated advantages.

I'm not sure to which advantage you refer? Do you mean the air-to-air
component versus ground-to-air?

If so, I was only referring to the latter. Given the implementation is
phased, the architecture had/has designed to allow for a mixed
equipage environment since the most likely scenario is that a fair
amount of aircraft won't be fully equipped with both ADS-B In and ADS-
B Out right out of the gate. Granted two fully-equipped aircraft are
going to be able to autonomously 'talk' to each other (TANSTAAFL).
About the only 'downside' I can see in the mixed equipage environment
is the minor one of the latency penalty with having to rely on ADS-R
(Re-Broadcast). Given Radar updates are what ~6-seconds, I wouldn't
consider it anywhere near a showstopper just because I couldn't
sustain a 1-second update rate.

The cost factor obviously has been, is, and continues to be the long
pole in the tent, but perhaps economies of scale will help. In
speaking with some of the regional operators, I liked how one of them
phrased his question in regard to the lead times and the equipage
tradespace that he has to consider. He said "What will the well-
dressed plane look like?"

He's got a fairly complex set of issues that he had to bring to his
upper-level mgt./acct. folks. On the one had there's the issue of
retrofitting existing aircraft that may not have much useful life left
by the time the capabilities bear fruit.

The flip side was an issue he termed "forward-fitting" which, as I
understood it (I'm not a businessman), is spec-ing out the package in
a cockpit for a plan that you won't be buying for <n> (5 in the case
of the discussion at the time) years. Given the moving target (pun
intended), I'm glad I don't have to be in his shoes standing in front
of my superiors having to sell it ;)

The TBD factor is starting to get better, now that the contract has
been let, and with the PRM due out sometime this month, I think it
will allow a lot more folks to make assessments for what the best
strategy is in moving forward.

> > Also, Page 5 indicates that TIS-B will provide
> > interoperability for aircraft not equipped with ADS-B Out.
>
> The ground stations will broadcast not just what is received via ADS-B but
> also what's received via conventional RADAR. I assume that this is what's
> meant.

That's the way I read the block diagram, with TIS-B going outbound
from the ground stations.

> - Andrew

Regards,
Jon

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 07:14:20 -0700, Jon wrote:

>> But that requires ground stations in sight of both aircraft,
>
> I'm not sure I'm following. Isn't that the idea behind Surveillance?
>
> As more ground stations are deployed the service volumes will increase.

One of the described benefits of ADS-B is that aircraft can detect each
other even out of "sight" of ground-based RADAR (or an ADS-B ground
station).

[...]

> About the only
> 'downside' I can see in the mixed equipage environment is the minor one
> of the latency penalty with having to rely on ADS-R (Re-Broadcast).
> Given Radar updates are what ~6-seconds, I wouldn't consider it anywhere
> near a showstopper just because I couldn't sustain a 1-second update
> rate.

But the three model situation isn't transitional (at least as far as I've
read). Airlines are using the mode-S based system while GA is using the
UAT and I don't know what's occurring in between. And then there's the
third system, the intended role I don't know.

- Andrew

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:55:21 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:

>>The UAT appeared to be the more generally useful, again if memory serves.
>
> Have you got a link to information about that system?
>
>>VDL apparently has some advantages over longer range. (ie. oceanic).
>
> Have you got a link to information about that system?

No. Someone put the link here (a while ago) and I didn't save it.
Perhaps the original poster will see this and resend it.

It was a description of a series of tests of performance of the different
systems under a wide range of conditions.

- Andrew

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:04:26 -0700, "Bob Gardner" >
wrote in >:

>Pilots won't be required to equip for
>it until 2020, and I'm pretty sure that is enough lead time for anyone to
>make plans regarding his or her airplane.

It's official:

FAA TO PILOTS: BE READY FOR ADS-B BY 2020
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/970-full.html#196268)
The FAA said
(http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=9632)
on Tuesday it wants all aircraft flying in controlled airspace to
have satellite-based avionics by 2020, so air traffic controllers
can track them using Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast
(ADS-B). The agency issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (PDF

(http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/29305.pdf))
that says the equipment will allow controllers to handle more
traffic more safely with less separation. "Aviation must take the
big step into the next generation of technology," said Acting FAA
Administrator Bobby Sturgell. "It's safer and more accurate.
Satellite technology is here to stay." Pilots with ADS-B cockpit
displays can see, in real time, their location in relation to
other aircraft, bad weather and terrain. In Southwest Alaska, the
fatal accident rate for ADS-B-equipped aircraft has dropped by 47
percent, the FAA said. Aircraft that don't fly in controlled
airspace will not be required to have ADS-B avionics, the FAA
said.

Free flight?
GPS?
ADS-B?
NextGen?
Blah blah blah

More FAA Fodder.......

All while they CUT controllers and technicians and REDUCE
redundancy while EXPANDING civil rights staffs and diversity
conferences. Airline delays and losses are the largest IN
HISTORY

The proof of FAA incompetence is in the statistics

I don't believe a damn thing anymore the FAA says or does.
It's all whiz bang BS to avoid exposure of their
incompetence and poor decision making.

Political Correctness-Tyranny with Manners



Larry Dighera wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:04:26 -0700, "Bob Gardner" >
> wrote in >:
>
>> Pilots won't be required to equip for
>> it until 2020, and I'm pretty sure that is enough lead time for anyone to
>> make plans regarding his or her airplane.
>
> It's official:
>
> FAA TO PILOTS: BE READY FOR ADS-B BY 2020
> (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/970-full.html#196268)
> The FAA said
> (http://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=9632)
> on Tuesday it wants all aircraft flying in controlled airspace to
> have satellite-based avionics by 2020, so air traffic controllers
> can track them using Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast
> (ADS-B). The agency issued a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (PDF
>
> (http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/29305.pdf))
> that says the equipment will allow controllers to handle more
> traffic more safely with less separation. "Aviation must take the
> big step into the next generation of technology," said Acting FAA
> Administrator Bobby Sturgell. "It's safer and more accurate.
> Satellite technology is here to stay." Pilots with ADS-B cockpit
> displays can see, in real time, their location in relation to
> other aircraft, bad weather and terrain. In Southwest Alaska, the
> fatal accident rate for ADS-B-equipped aircraft has dropped by 47
> percent, the FAA said. Aircraft that don't fly in controlled
> airspace will not be required to have ADS-B avionics, the FAA
> said.